# Re: Electrostatic Power Generating System

Harvey Norris ( (no email) )
Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:55:54 PST

On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:45:09 -0500, Ken Carrigan wrote:

> Electrostatic implies that no power is needed to sustain the field, when
=
> in fact there
> are losses to keeping any high potential in free space. Now if one =
> tries to use this
> electrostatic energy for work, then the field will start to either =
> deplete or require more
> current to sustain itself. In other words... the field is NOT free. =20
>
> What we should be looking at HARD, is an energy supply that is NEVER =
> depleted.
> One that if we try to use the field supply, it would allow us to use it =
> without depleting.
> Like an endless river supply. PERMENATE MAGNETICS!! Free B-Field!! =
> This is
> our key to endless energy, but we have to get the static magnetic field =
> to become
> oscillatory. If you can make a magnetic field from a permenate magnetic
=
> oscillate
> by either machanical means or field modulation means, there would be =
> Now, this mechanical or field modulation (FM) means would also have to =
> be free..
> or at least the magnetic field oscillations (integrate for power =
> extraction) would have
> to supply the oscillations means. =20

>> The spatial harnessing of resonance goes beyond a simple schematic
that conveys a two dimensional idea. The idea of tapping energy from
resonance must be accomplished by extracting energy from the potential
without diminishing the potential. This is not as impossible as it sounds.
If an electric field exists at right angles to a magnetic field a Lorentz
force interaction can take place which will exert a force on a moving
charged particle that is at right angles to both the causitive forces. That
movement does not deplete the potential in the electric field because it
moves parallel to the potential.
In this scheme of things it is first necessary to procure the
condition that more energy can tranfer between electric and magnetic fields
in osscillation than the amount of total losses mostly expressed as I
squared R heat losses on the inductor. This is well within possibility at 60
hz by using a large air core inductance. Using a 56 H coil I note 15 watts
I^2R heating loss but 45 watts of energy transfer between fields as
expressed in joules /sec in a typical 23 gauge coil of 1000 ohms.
The several problems involved with this idea is that a material must
be chosen to share both the electric and magnetic fields: I see water as
this candidate. Secondly the idea is said to be beyond a simple schematic
because a schematic can show the inductance L and the capacitance C and
their respective values that will resonate at 60 hz on a diagram. But how do
I make that diagram show that I am adding the fact that C will exist inside
L at right angles in what I call the spatial harnessing of resonance.
Another complication with this idea is the fact that at 60 hz the
volume of space needed for C will exceed the available volume inside the
inductor L. However by increasing the frequency input a corresponding
exponential decrease in C is obtained which also increases the ratio
between energy transfered between fields and that wasted in heat loss.
Even another complication is the fact that displacement currents
across a water capacity are extremely small, thus making this lorentz
reaction extremely small. A way to throw the system into a high frequency of
over one hundred thousand hz is needed to make the displacement current in
the water capacity appear as greater values.
I have experimentally noted that a similar kind of lorentz reaction
that should produce no increase of current conduction from a battery current
through water does in fact increase the conduction. It seems that the
lorentz reaction that should oppose conduction is returned or bounced back
off the source emf (battery) in the following pulse where the lorentz
reaction aids the battery current. HDN
> Any takers for this kinda project? The TOMI is close..where magnetics =
> are used to=20
> rotate a ball bearing. If one could produce that...ball bearing =
> rotating continually..
> I'd have to say.. you would be 75% there to answers to free energy.
>
> v/r Ken Carrigan
>
> PS... it also could be that high frequency oscillations are the answer =
> vice slower or
> lower oscillations. Something like a car.. for gas milage? Too fast =
> and wind velocity
> friction decreases effieciency but too slow also reduces efficiency. =
> There could be this
> relationship for oscillating magnetic field for extraction of power. I =
> have done some
> research on a faraday disk and it does hold true about the magnetic =
> field rotation versus
> velocity.... k*V^3 is frictional losses. =20

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